This week, Catherine Whiteford joins me to discuss the issues with the Orthodox Church inside of Ukraine. You may have heard that there's a new "church" sponsored by the US State Department in Ukraine. Yet the government is trying to close out and ban the real Church that has been in existence there for over 1000 years. In this video, Catherine breaks all of this down for you and explains the differences between the real and fake church in Ukraine and who’s fighting for which one. In this interview, we discussed Catherine meeting with the White House Faith Office. She is indeed officially in contact with them now. They are looking for more stories and data on the magnitude of the R-1 Visa issues. If you have any, please contact her! For the video she made that we referred to, go here:   For the article we discussed, go here: Sponsor: Perfect Spiral Capital:   Get the new Counterflow T-shirt before it sells out! Visit or send $30 via PayPal to [email protected] with your size and shipping address! Donate to the show here:   Visit my website:   Audio Production by Podsworth Media:   Leave us a review and rating on Apple Podcasts! Thanks!