PUBLIC VERSION. Filmmaker Rob Jabbaz's new film THE SADNESS took the festival world in 2021 by storm. The story about a dangerous virus that causes the infected to lose their inhibitions has shades of our own Joe Lynch's MAYHEM (2017), however Rob takes it all a bloody, graphic step further. Audiences who have already seen THE SADNESS internationally and on the festival circuit have been disgusted, shocked, and full of praise for the film which will see its US release this spring. Adam, Joe, and Arwen talk to Rob from halfway around the world in Taipei where he explains how the pandemic itself influenced his story, how the film was financed originally as more of a traditional zombie film, the hurdles of creating provocative cinema in these modern times, how his DIY animation background helped his live-action craft, and much more! Dr. Arwen provides "Hollywood Therapy" for a listener trying to avoid creative burnout and Adam announces his first convention appearance in almost 4 years in this extremely candid conversation about "going there" with your art.