This week on Mature Me, Rich sits down with Joe L Barnes—husband, grammy award winning and platinum-selling songwriter, worship leader, and founder of For Every Dreamer.Joe shares the quiet, faithful road behind the songs that have shaped a generation. From hidden seasons of prayer and fasting to the heartbreak that deepened his worship, this conversation explores the weight of calling, the gift of grief, and the miracles we miss when we chase success over presence.They talk about the story behind Promises, the difference between gifts and fruit, and what it really means to lead your family before you lead a crowd.“The promise without Your presence will be a prison.”

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