This week on Mature Me, Rich sits down with Dr. Dharius Daniels—pastor, author, and leadership voice—for a powerful breakout conversation recorded live at VOUSCon.

In a room full of leaders, they unpack what it means to lead with longevity—spiritually, emotionally, and biblically. From soul wounds to stewardship, this conversation dives deep into the heart behind lasting leadership.

They explore the tension between being led and being driven—and how your internal health determines your external impact.

“When you’re being led, the divine determines the pace. When you’re being driven, your dysfunction determines the pace.”

This episode is for anyone navigating purpose, pressure, and the path to becoming who God’s called them to be.

Watch the full conversation now!

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