After he was removed from the Progressive Conservative caucus because of his views on the province's lockdown, MPP Roman Baber says it's imperative we have what he calls an "open conversation" about the costs of fighting COVID-19. He joins Steve Paikin to discuss. Also, what happens when a country doesn't have a Governor General? John Michael McGrath shares the answer, and it involves Iceland and Nazis.

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