Guests:

• Derek Reveron, Professor and Chair of National Security at the US Naval War College
• John Savage, An Wang Professor Emeritus of Computer Science of Brown University

Topics:

• You wrote a book on cyber and war, how did this come about and what did you most enjoy learning from the other during the writing process?

• Is generative AI going to be a game changer in international relations and war, or is it just another tool?

• You also touch briefly on lethal autonomous weapons systems and ethics–that feels like the genie is right in the very neck of the bottle right now, is it too late?

• Aside from this book, and the awesome course you offered at Brown that sparked Tim’s interest in this field, how can we democratize this space better? 

• How does the emergence and shift to Cloud impact security in the cyber age?

• What are your thoughts on the intersection of Cloud as a set of technologies and operating model and state security (like sovereignty)? Does Cloud make espionage harder or easier? 

Resources:

• “Security in the Cyber Age” book (and their other books’)

• “Thinking, Fast and Slow” book

• “No Shortcuts: Why States Struggle to Develop a Military Cyber-Force” book

• “The Perfect Weapon: War, Sabotage, and Fear in the Cyber Age“ book

• “Active Cyber Defense: Applying Air Defense to the Cyber Domain”

• EP141 Cloud Security Coast to Coast: From 2015 to 2023, What's Changed and What's the Same?

• EP145 Cloud Security: Shared Responsibility, Shared Fate, Shared Faith?