Cloud Security Podcast by Google

EP254 Escaping 1990s Vulnerability Management: From Unauthenticated Scans to AI-Driven Mitigation


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Guest:

  • Caleb Hoch, Consulting Manager on Security Transformation Team, Mandiant, Google Cloud

Topics:

  • How has vulnerability management (VM) evolved beyond basic scanning and reporting, and what are the biggest gaps between modern practices and what organizations are actually doing?
  • Why are so many organizations stuck with 1990s VM practices?
  • Why mitigation planning is still hard for so many?
  • Why do many organizations, including large ones, still rely on unauthenticated scans despite the known importance of authenticated scanning for accurate results?
  • What constitutes a "gold standard" vulnerability prioritization process in 2025 that moves beyond CVSS scores to incorporate threat intelligence, asset criticality, and other contextual factors?
  • What are the primary human and organizational challenges in vulnerability management, and how can issues like unclear governance, lack of accountability, and fear of system crashes be overcome?
  • How is AI impacting vulnerability management, and does the shift to cloud environments fundamentally change VM practices?

Resources:

  • EP109 How Google Does Vulnerability Management: The Not So Secret Secrets!
  • EP246 From Scanners to AI: 25 Years of Vulnerability Management with Qualys CEO Sumedh Thakar
  • EP248 Cloud IR Tabletop Wins: How to Stop Playing Security Theater and Start Practicing
  • How Low Can You Go? An Analysis of 2023 Time-to-Exploit Trends
  • Mandiant M Trends 2025
  • EP204 Beyond PCAST: Phil Venables on the Future of Resilience and Leading Indicators
  • Mandiant Vulnerability Management
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