September 02, 2025

Ep30 - Dealers, Dispersion Trading and Payment for Orderflow: Interview with Kevin “Lex” Luthringshausen

41 minutes

Dan sits down with longtime market maker Kevin “Lex” Luthringshausen to demystify how options markets actually work behind the scenes. They cover dealer/market-maker behavior, why hedging is the real “edge,” how dispersion trading works, and what payment for order flow (PFOF) really is—and why it matters for retail traders. The conversation finishes with practical guidance for covered calls, cash-secured puts, and the “poor man’s covered call” (fig leaf), plus Lex’s favorite trading books and films.

Key Topics

What wholesalers are and how payment for order flow (PFOF) works

Market makers vs. retail: why market makers hedge, not predict direction

Greeks in practice: building and neutralizing delta, gamma, vega exposure

Dispersion trading: baskets vs. SPX volatility, correlations, Mag-7 implications

Retail edge (and limits) with implied volatility (IV vs. realized vol)

Covered calls & cash-secured puts: when IV matters most

The fig leaf / poor man’s covered call: benefits, risks, and skew considerations

What retail traders are actually trading now (iron condors, diagonals, calendars, credit spreads)

Lex’s Practical Takeaways

Hedging is the business. Market makers quote both sides and hedge continuously; the “win” isn’t directional prediction but capturing edge and neutralizing risk.

Retail order flow helps pricing. Small, frequent retail trades help “shape the curve,” tightening markets and often improving prices.

PFOF trade-off. It helps enable low/zero commissions and tighter spreads; without it, expect higher commissions and wider markets.

Use IV thoughtfully. For income strategies like covered calls and CSPs, prioritizing higher (overpriced) IV can improve premiums—but verify it’s truly overpriced for the current environment.

Fig leaf caution. LEAPS are vega-sensitive; vertical and term skew can mean you’re buying higher vol and selling lower vol. Price the whole structure, not just the short call.

Resources Mentioned

NBBO (National Best Bid and Offer) — the best available public bid/ask across exchanges

The Options Playbook by Brian Overby

Classic films: Trading Places, Wall Street (and a messenger-desk trading film Lex couldn’t recall by name)

Connect

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Disclosure:

Options involve risk and are not suitable for all investors. Prior to buying or selling an option, investors must read Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options (ODD) which can be found at https://www.theocc.com/company-information/documents-and-archives/options-disclosure-document

Don’t trade with money you are not prepared to lose. Anything discussed on this show is intended to be generalized information and not intended to be a recommendation to buy or sell any security. The host and guests are not familiar with listeners’ specific situations. For trading information relevant to your specific needs, speak with a licensed broker or advisor.

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