It is Brian Cook of BOTCH, Russian Circles, These Arms Are Snakes and SUMAC. Right before Botch tours the nation (well, the coasts anyway) in 2023! and SUMAC play a few shows in the midwest. Let's talk about the why and how of a BOTCH reunion, as well as These Arms Are Snakes and why capstoning a band can be a wonderful thing. Russian Circles playing with Korn (!) and System of a Down (!), and larger concepts like: if you have to be an instagram influencer to be in a band these days, and how in the world people can find out about shows NOT the day after they happen. It's a far ranging episode that covers a lot of ground with a guest Conan has been meaning to have on for a really long time.