Cloud Security Podcast by Google

EP39 From False Positives to Karl Popper: Rationalizing Cloud Threat Detection


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Guest:

  • Jared Atkinson, Adversary Detection Technical Director at SpecterOps

Topics:

  • What are bad/good/great detections? Is this all about the Bianco's pyramid? Is high good and low bad?
  • How should we judge the quality of detections? Can there be a quality framework? Is that judgment going to be site specific?
  • What should we do to build more good directions? Is this all about reducing false positives?
  • Can we really measure false negatives? How can we approach this?
  • How can we test for detection goodness in the real world? What are the methods that work? It can't be just about paper ATT&CK coverage, right?
  • What are your top 3 tips for improving the detection practice at an organization?

Resources:

  • "The Pyramid of Pain" post by David Bianco
  • "On Threat Detection Uncertainty"
  • "Detection Coverage and Detection-in-Depth"
  • "Detection in Depth" by SpecterOps
  • "Philosophy of Science: Rationality Without Foundations" by Karl Popper (yes, really)
  • Red Canary "2021 Threat Detection Report"
  • "The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable" by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
  • John Piaget's theory of cognitive development
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