Tuck speaks with Jackie Ess (she/her), author of Darryl. Topics include:

• The future of trans literature (whatever that means)
• Writing from the outside and avoiding tokenization
• How to avoid being the worst kind of reader
• Hints to the subjects of Jackie's next two books
• Plus: Jonathan Franzen, Jack Harlow, Casey Plett, Torrey Peters, Hugo Grotius, and the Situation?

This Week in Gender: Para sports and the Paralympics. (You can read WBC's trans inclusion policy here.)

Find Jackie on Twitter @jackie_ess. Buy Darryl on Bookshop or wherever books are.

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