In this episode, Jeff sits down with David Hayward. For the last 17 years, David has created art and comics and written books under the moniker of The Naked Pastor. They discuss what it means to create art that pushes back on social norms, how to manage your own mental health under the pressure of criticism, and what it is like to build a successful brand that is authentic to who you are. Plus, Jeff has multiple "fan boy" moment.

Find David's work at: https://nakedpastor.com/

Follow him on Twitter at: https://twitter.com/nakedpastor

Or on Instagram at: https://www.instagram.com/nakedpastor/

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