Charles and Jon interview Wendy Panaino from the field in South Africa, about her research on one of Africa's rarest, most endangered and most endearing mammals: the Ground (Cape) Pangolin. Wendy's ground breaking research means she probably knows more about this species than anyone in the world and she shares some of her findings with us, including an explanation of how one even starts to study an animal this hard to find. Wendy also describes some of the other fascinating mammal species that she encounters, nonchalantly shrugging off the perils of spending nights alone wandering through the Kalahari desert following pangolins and avoiding lions.

Here is the YouTube trailer.

For more information visit www.mammalwatching.com/podcast

Notes: Information on the Tswalu Reserve is here, and on the Tsawlu Foundation is here along with an interview with Wendy on their website. Bruce Young's Eye of the Pangolin film, featuring footage of Wendy at work, is on YouTube. Some of the discussion on Facebook about "when is a species truly wild" is copied into the comments section of the last podcast episode announcement on mammalwatching.com.

Cover art: Ground Pangolin, Wendy Panaino.

Dr Charles Foley is a mammalwatcher and biologist who, together with his wife Lara, spent 30 years studying elephants in Tanzania. They now run the Tanzania Conservation Research Program at the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago.

Jon Hall set up mammalwatching.com in 2005. Genetically Welsh, spiritually Australian, currently in New York City. He has looked for mammals in over 100 countries.

Produced and edited by Charles Foley.