Christian investors are talking a lot about impact, but we’re often left with a tough question: how do you measure it?

Author and investor, Shundrawn Thomas has wrestled with this question in his career. Over the years, Shundrawn has run a trillion-dollar global fund and recently founded The Copia Group which offers a distinct approach to investing that marries the strategic investment of financial and relational capital with the holistic development of scalable business models.

In this episode, he opens up about how his firm makes and measures impact, the ways in which investing overlaps with pastoral work, and the Chicago food staple he likes best. If you like the content, give us a rating or share it with a friend and don’t forget to follow for new episodes every other week.