The first of a two-part interview with author Brian McLaren talking about his new book, Faith After Doubt. Joe talks to Brian about four stages of faith: simplicity, complexity, perplexity and harmony and how these affect churches, leadership and even our reading of the Bible. Also Joe's hearing is questioned and we announce our very own Mid-faith Crisis Church Weekend!

• The Mid-Faith Crisis Church Weekend 29-31 October 2021
• Nick Page, I don’t like your platitude: the case against christian cliches
• Brian McLaren
• Brian McLaren, Faith After Doubt