"This is not something that comes over night. It's a long, arduous road," says Mark Kram Jr.

Mark Kram Jr. is on the show to talk about his incredible career and his latest book Smokin' Joe. 

We talk about how he was a late bloomer and through hard work, long work, he grew into his own skin as a writer.

This show is brought to you by Goucher College's MFA in Nonfiction and Bay Path University's MFA in Creative Nonfiction. 

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