Ozzy and Tuck chat with philosopher Talia Mae Bettcher (she/her). Topics include:

• Creating a theory of trans oppression beyond the "wrong body" and "beyond the binary" accounts
• How clothing can be part of an abusive system of forced disclosure
• "Let's meditate on genitalia if we can for a moment"
• Why are there so many terfs in philosophy??
• Plus: Phoria, apparitionals, moral sex, and other fun new vocab

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Find Talia's work here and here. Beyond Personhood is available from University of Minnesota Press.

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