Tuck chats with author Caro De Robertis (they/them). Topics include:

• Caro’s oral history work with trans, genderqueer, and two-spirit elders of color
• Why Spanish can be more gender-affirming than English 
• How Caro’s knowledge of South American dictatorships informs their perspective on US politics 
• Why Black trans women were encouraged to detransition during the AIDS crisis (and other stories from elders)
• Plus: Butch babies, genderfuck, and staying free (!)

Gender Ordeal be in Chicago (4/24), Minneapolis (4/25) and Brooklyn (5/9) and then we’re done forever! Grab your tickets at genderpodcast.com/live see u soon!!!

This Week in Gender: We share info about US border crossings. 

• How to enter the US with your digital privacy intact (Wired)
• Tracking the foreign nationals detained by ICE as tourists or U.S. residents (Axios)
• What green-card and visa holders should know before traveling abroad (NPR)
• Can Border Agents Search Your Electronic Devices? It’s Complicated. (ACLU)
• Countries issue advisories about trans people traveling to the United States (CNN)

Submit a piece of Theymail: Today’s message was from the Dancing Rabbit Ecovillage.

Find Caro at caroderobertis.com. So Many Stars is available for pre-order now.

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