Tuck and Ozzy chat with scholar Marquis Bey (they/them). Topics include:

• If we abolish gender, what will happen to sex changes?
• Is nonbinary bourgeois?
• Learning about nonbinary from incarcerated queer studies students
• If neither of us care about gender, then what are we doing on this gender podcast?!
• Plus: Burner genders, replacing "community" with "swarms," and pushing back against the assimilation of they/them

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Find Marquis at marquisbey.com. Marquis's new book, Nonbinary Life, will be released on April 16.

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