The 2021 Volvo S60 T5 is a premium sedan in a world gone over almost completely to crossovers, and Sami and Benjamin get deep with just how surprising its past decade has been for a brand that few would have thought would still be in the luxury conversation so many years later.

Benjamin then startles Sami by singing the praises of the 2021 Lexus RX 450h, a hybrid SUV that would seem to be the anti-enthusiast machine—which is exactly the point, as Benjamin points out. The pair wrap things up with their thoughts on the production Jeep Grand Wagoneer as well as the cost of electricity as it informs EV buying decisions.