As we head into Advent, we have an interview with Brian Draper. Brian talks about wonder, hope, leaning into the darkness, sharing the inherited riches of our faith, and how 'not knowing is the most intimate'. Meanwhile, Nick has been all arty and Joe has been fighting technical issues. And losing. Heavily.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Brian Draper Advent Emails
• Ralph Vaughan Williams' Dona Nobis Pacem
• Thomas Oord, God Can't
• The Lavender Hill Mob
• 3-Ingredient Cocktails Robert Simonson
• The Light of the World
• Octavio Moss - Holy Ground