We return to the topic of paying attention and Joe's latest pier-based epiphanies. We chat about how attention can be a kind of prayer and how we can cope with the distracting and even sinful thoughts which stop us paying attention to God. And a moderately enthusiastic Christmas to one and all.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Secret life of the pencil
• How to cook the perfect shepherd’s pie
• Nick Page, Christmas: Tradition, Truth and Total Baubles