Dyed in the wool backpackers will remember the pitched battle between the keep it realists and the shiny suit mafia that took place in the mid/late-nineties. At that time there was a tangible sense that the ethos of "real" Hip Hop was being subsumed by corporatist tendencies (we weren’t entirely wrong about that). Many emcees stepped forward to defend the art form we all know and love, few the zealotry of Cap D of the Chicago based rap dou All Natural. Together with producer Tone B Nimble, Cap D put out several solid releases during the last throes of the backpack era.

All Natural’s discography alone would have made for an interesting interview but Cap D's second act is almost as interesting as his first. Currently Cap D (government name David Kelly) is Vice President and Chief Legal Counsel for the (WORLD CHAMPION) Golden State Warriors. Even though he has the perhaps the coolest gig in the world he is still a rapper at heart. In this interview Cap talks about his All Natural days, making the transition from the booth to the courtroom, and his upcoming album with Chicago legend Juice produced by Georgia Anne Muldrow.

During the intro segment Nate, Dave, and Demone talk crypto crashes, the legacy of All Natural, and why the Warriors have gotten of to a slow start this season. 

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