Sabotage

Episode 3: The Well-Behaved Scientists

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How do you go from being one of the most prominent climate scientists in the country to being threatened with felony domestic terrorism charges? Ali and Sam meet two scientists — Peter Kalmus and Rose Abramoff — who realized that if they wanted to make a real difference, they needed to get out of the lab and onto the streets.

Clarifications and Corrections (April 2, 2025): 

  • Of the five people arrested at the White House protest, Rose is the only one who identifies as a scientist.
  • Rose was visiting, not living in, North Carolina at the time of our interview.
  • Rose was a reviewer, not an author, of the IPCC report.
  • Although police threatened to charge Rose and the other protestors at the Mountain Valley Pipeline with felonies, in the end, they faced misdemeanor charges. 

    • Episode credits:

    • Sabotage is hosted, reported and executive produced by Alessandra Ram and Samantha Oltman of Good Luck Media
    • With executive producers Adam McKay and Staci Roberts-Steele of Yellow Dot Studios
    • Producer: Hannah Chinn
    • Consulting Senior Producer: Rebecca Sananes
    • Audio Engineer: Erick Gomez
    • Original music: Daniel G. Harmann

      • Additional materials include:

      • News clip from Ford Fischer / News2Share

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