With sleeper hit and absolute runaway debut sensation Shelby Van Pelt, discussing her hopeful, poignant, friendship-with-an-octopus book club novel, Remarkably Bright Creatures.

We discussed finding the voice for her "gentleman philosopher" octopus, how all good book ideas are probably a little bit bananas, and how it's never too late to change, no matter how old you are.

With an intro that discusses Tolkein's famous essay, "On Fairy Stories," about the necessity of fairy tales told to grown ups.

Pre-order Mark Cecil's upcoming novel Bunyan and Henry.

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