Hosts Jason Purgason and Matt Covey interview Ohio police dog handler/trainer and Vaness Canine owner Eric Stanbro about his book, "Ecollar Without Conflict for Pets and Working Dogs," and his seminars focused on fixing deeper handler-dog relationship issues, especially the verbal out. Stanbro explains “tone avoidance,” using an e-collar tone as a silent negative marker replacing verbal corrections (no, leave it, drop it) so the dog associates consequences with its behavior rather than the handler, improving manners and reducing conflict. He details how to introduce tone and stimulation quickly in real home setups, discusses timing, multi-dog households, collar fit, and common mistakes (not backing tone with stimulation). He also describes “tone recall” and “tone move/follow” for loose-leash walking and reactivity, plus limited uses for vibration.