Allan and Kattie were guests on Richard Ostler’s Listen, Learn, Love podcast. Listen, Learn, Love largely focuses on LGBTQ issues, but Richard also likes taking on faith crisis, mixed faith marriage, and other difficult topics. He is a faithful member of the church and is a wonderful example of a LGBTQ ally.

If you are familiar with the basic timeline of Allan and Kattie’s story, skip to around the 35 minute mark.

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