At Last She Said It

By Cynthia Winward, Susan Hinckley

What's At Last She Said It about?

At Last She Said It is a podcast that seeks to amplify and explore a variety of voices, stories, ideas and experiences of Mormon women.

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At Last She Said It episodes:

04.23.2024
Episode 178: Women's Spirituality | A Conversation with Brittney Hartley
Like flowers in the cracks of a sidewalk, women’s spirituality has had to work its way around and through thousands of years of religious beliefs and practices established and maintained by and for men. “I have stopped trying to make...
04.16.2024
Episode 177: Going Off-Brand
“There is room to honor and hold space for the precious and the meaningful even as we evolve in our beliefs, our homes, and our lives. It’s okay to bring some things with you.” These wise words from writer...
04.09.2024
Episode 176 (Bonus): What About Season 8?
In this short bonus episode, Susan and Cynthia look ahead to the upcoming season of podcast conversations. Season 8 will center on Latter-day Saint women digging and drawing from our individual spiritual wells. Hope you’ll join us!
04.02.2024
Episode 175 (Bonus): Revisiting When Women Are The Problem
In this bonus episode, Cynthia and Susan revisit part of an earlier discussion exploring the idea of Latter-day Saint women’s complicity in our own marginalization. Recent events have once again highlighted ways women may be the biggest obstacle to achieving...
03.19.2024
Episode 174 (Bonus): Exhibit A—Reactions to the Relief Society Broadcast
On March 17, 2024 the Church broadcast a Worldwide Relief Society Devotional featuring remarks from the RS General Presidency and President Nelson. In this bonus episode, Cynthia and Susan discuss some of the messages delivered and the social media outpouring...
01.30.2024
Episode 173: An Open Letter to the Church | The Imagination Episode
Some topics come up in these podcast conversations again and again, and that gets our attention. They frustrate us but also feel like obvious opportunities: areas where the church we love could take a step forward, and even small changes...
01.23.2024
Episode 172: The Grace Peddlers are Back
Talk a lot about guilt and shame and eventually, you'll probably crave a hefty dose of grace! The conversation in Episode 172 is just that. Cynthia and Susan focus on challenges Latter-day Saints might have decoupling works and grace. Is...
01.16.2024
Episode 171: What About Guilt and Shame? | A Conversation with C.A. Larson, Part 2
In Episode 171, Susan and Cynthia continue their discussion with therapist C.A. Larson about guilt and shame. Where are they coming from? What are some specific ways these emotions might affect Latter-day Saint women, and how can we recognize and...
01.09.2024
Episode 170: What About Guilt and Shame? | A Conversation with C.A. Larson, Part 1
“The most liberating process is to realize that no one’s expectations for my life matter but my own,” says therapist C.A. Larson. In Episode 170, she joins Cynthia and Susan for the first part of a discussion about guilt and...
01.02.2024
Episode 169: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Lisa Torcasso Downing
“My religious life is beyond the confines of my ward or stake,” says Lisa Torcasso Downing, a Latter-day Saint woman for whom using her voice is an integral part of her faith life. She describes her long-running blog, Life Outside...
12.26.2023
Episode 168: Revisiting What Women Don't Get in our Church
Some questions need to be revisited often so we don’t lose sight of the fact that no satisfactory answer has been given. In Episode 91, Cynthia asked, “If history shows that patriarchy is bad for women, and data shows...
12.19.2023
Episode 167: Behind the Scenes
Sometimes it’s good to just have fun! Episode 167 is a peek behind the curtain at ALSSI. Cynthia and Susan turn on the mics for an unscripted chat about everything from podcaster-pet-peeves to “spilled tea” to Christmas traditions. It’s the...
12.12.2023
Episode 166: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Lyric Montgomery Kinard
Lyric Montgomery Kinard uses the word expansion to describe her faith journey because, as she says, “it feels like spirituality has burst my Mormon box wide-open.” In Episode 166, she joins Susan and Cynthia to talk about her experiences as...
12.08.2023
Episode 165: BONUS | Still Talking About Patriarchal Blessings
We asked, you answered! In Bonus Episode 165, women from the ALSSI community share personal experiences and thoughts about Patriarchal Blessings.
12.05.2023
Episode 164: What About Patriarchal Blessings?
When it comes to Patriarchal Blessings, there are as many experiences as there are members who give and receive them. In Episode 164, Cynthia and Susan are joined by Blakelee Ellis for a discussion about some of the many ways...
11.28.2023
Episode 163: Finding Jesus Through Your Inner Compass | A Conversation with Autumn McAlpin
The image of the compass feels central to Autumn McAlpin’s book, But Jesus: A Conversation. Autumn explains, “Right now, my spiritual practice is centered on this—I read pure religion as found in the gospels in the New Testament, then try...
11.21.2023
Episode 162: Stepping Out of the Box with Jesus—Claiming Space in the Gospel Narrative | A Conversation with Kajsa Berlin-Kaufusi
“I’m tired of putting Jesus in a hermeneutical box nailed together by patriarchal exegesis,” says Kajsa Berlin-Kaufusi. In Episode 162, she joins Cynthia and Susan to discuss what those words mean. What might they mean specifically for Latter-day Saint women...
11.14.2023
Episode 161: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Debbie Squires-Coleman
“In the fleet, I'll sail my own boat,” says Debbie Squires-Coleman. In Episode 161, she joins Cynthia and Susan from her home in England to share this and other insights in an Embracing Your Journey discussion about her experiences as...
11.10.2023
Episode 160: At Last YOU Said It Part 2 | More Listener Voicemails
In Bonus Episode 160, Susan and Cynthia share and discuss more ALSSI listener voicemails.
11.07.2023
Episode 159: At Last YOU Said It | ALSSI Listener Voicemails
We started this project in an effort to amplify Latter-day Saint women’s voices and create a safe space for sharing ideas and experiences. In Episode 159, Cynthia and Susan dive into listener voicemails to hear, share, and discuss things women...
10.31.2023
Episode 158: Telling the Truth | A Conversation with Jana Riess
Telling the truth can be complicated for a Latter-day Saint woman, even if we value honesty. It’s hard to say out loud some of what we’re thinking, feeling, or experiencing. At church or even in our families and close relationships...
10.24.2023
Episode 157: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Mer Monson
Every faith path is walked one step at a time. Every woman’s story is unique. In Episode 157, Cynthia and Susan are joined by Mer Monson to talk about her journey so far, and how the ground she’s traveled informs...
10.17.2023
Episode 156: What About Consent?
There are many touchpoints with consent in a Latter-day Saint woman’s church life. From baptism to temple ordinances to accepting callings, we say yes over and over again, sometimes without ever seriously engaging our options. In Episode 156, Susan and...
10.10.2023
Episode 155: To the Children of the Mothers in Zion | A Conversation with Susie Augenstein
For Latter-day Saint women in 1987, expectations outlined by the prophet were explicit: “Mothers in Zion,” he said, “Your God-given roles are so vital to your own exaltation and to the salvation and exaltation of your family.” In episode 155, Susan...
10.03.2023
Episode 154: What About Racism? | A Conversation with Tamu Smith
“What could a Relief Society lesson on racism look like?” “What do you wish other members of the Church knew about what it’s like to be a Black Latter-day Saint in 2023?” Cynthia asked Tamu Smith these questions and more...
09.26.2023
Episode 153: When Women Can't Stay
Embracing our journey means accepting that every individual’s path is different. While some Latter-day Saint women think about why they stay, others will be thinking about why they make the choice not to. In Episode 153, two women who found...
09.19.2023
Episode 152: Spelling It Out
For some Latter-day Saint women, embracing the journey may include reckoning with difficult aspects of the church experience that are specific to women. Some may choose to leave when they find their personal cost exceeds their benefit. In Episode 152,...
09.12.2023
Episode 151: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Aubrey Chaves
Every Latter-day Saint woman is on her own journey of faith. We describe it using all kinds of language, and some days the path ahead seems a lot clearer than other days. We each carry our own baggage, our own...
09.05.2023
Episode 150: Why We Stay
Season 7 begins with a series of conversations exploring reasons some women continue to find spiritual value participating in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and some do not. Every individual has her own faith story, and in...
08.15.2023
Episode 149: BONUS | Still Making Peace
Where are you turning for peace these days? It can feel elusive on a shifting path! In bonus Episode 149, Cynthia and Susan revisit an earlier conversation to compare notes and discuss things they’re still learning when it comes to...
08.01.2023
Episode 148: BONUS | Still Asking—Where's the Priesthood in That?
In this bonus episode, Susan and Cynthia discuss new thoughts and old frustrations around a previous conversation from ALSSI Episode 35 about church callings and priesthood authority. What is changing when it comes to organizational roles for Latter-day Saint women,...
07.18.2023
Episode 147: BONUS | Revisiting the Map
In this episode, Cynthia and Susan add a few new thoughts to their conversation from Season 1 about going off the edge of one’s map in pursuit of a more personalized spiritual life. In this discussion ALSSI listeners will recognize...
07.04.2023
Episode 146: BONUS | Revisiting the Rule Breaking Woman
In Episode 146, Cynthia and Susan revisit The Rule Breaking Woman to discuss what her story can teach Latter-day Saint women about spiritual empowerment. It's a scriptural example of a woman who took a big risk, and received exactly what...
06.20.2023
Episode 145: Season 6 | That's a Wrap!
Finale Episode 145 is a look back at Susan and Cynthia's sixth season of ALSSI conversations: identifying themes, adding additional thoughts, discussing listener responses, and thinking ahead.
06.13.2023
Episode 144: Messages to our Daughters | Part 2—To Our Young Selves
If you had the opportunity, what would you say to young Latter-day Saint girls about things like patriarchy, priesthood, women’s roles, the messages they receive at church, and how those messages should be weighted as they approach the big life...
06.06.2023
Episode 143: Get Used to Disappointment | A Conversation with Dr. Julie Hanks
“Your job as an adult is to disappoint people.” So said Dr. Julie Hanks the first time she was on the ALSSI podcast. In Episode 143, she joins Cynthia and Susan to talk more about actually applying that statement in...
05.30.2023
Episode 142: Messages to our Daughters | Part 1—About Girls and the Sacrament
One of the questions Cynthia and Susan hear most often comes from mothers who write, “My daughter is asking when it will be her turn to pass the sacrament….what should I say?” They took this question to listeners and in...
05.23.2023
Episode 141: The Making of Biblical Womanhood | A Conversation with Beth Allison Barr
Can faithful women reject patriarchy? Beth Allison Barr's book, The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth, suggests the answer is yes. Her book is a compelling 'untelling' of the story of patriarchy as divinely...
05.16.2023
Episode 140: Does That Scripture Mean What You Think it Means? | A Dance with the Ten Virgins
Every church goer has probably heard more lessons about the wise and foolish virgins than they can count. Why do Latter-day Saints love to talk about this parable so much? And why do we seem to be so attached to...
05.12.2023
Episode 139: BONUS—Let's Talk About Garments...at last! | More with Afton Southam Parker
What would you say if you had the ear of the people in charge of designing garments? Afton Southam Parker came prepared with a 37 slide PowerPoint presentation, based on her own experiences and those of many other women who...
05.09.2023
Episode 138: Finding Your Voice...and Using It | A Conversation with Afton Southam Parker
Bringing attention to issues affecting Latter-day Saint women requires us to be opportunistic about using our voices. Even those in leadership callings don’t always find their ideas and opinions are welcome. And when chances to be heard do arise, the...
05.02.2023
Episode 137: Let's Talk About Healthy Relationships | A Conversation with Meghan Decker
In close relationships, sometimes it’s difficult to differentiate between a loved one’s side of the road and our own. We may develop unhealthy or unbalanced behavioral patterns. Codependency is one word used to describe what happens when we begin internalizing...
04.25.2023
Episode 136: Let's Talk About The One True Church
“I know this church is true.” Many Latter-day Saints rely on this anchor phrase when bearing testimony, but what do the words really mean? What are the implications—good and less so—of believing an organization carries the divine stamp of approval?...
04.18.2023
Episode 135: What About Religious Trauma?
What’s religious trauma? For some Latter-day Saint women, church may become difficult or even unsafe because of it, yet many members have probably never heard of it. In episode 135, Jana Spangler joins Cynthia and Susan for a discussion of...
04.11.2023
Episode 134: What About Converts? | A Conversation with KC Bramer
Many Latter-day Saint women have had similar experiences as lifelong Church members. We come up through Primary and Young Women’s singing the same songs, going to camp, and participating in correlated lessons and activities. But what about women who convert...
04.07.2023
Episode 133: BONUS—Ask Us Anything | ALSSI's Third Anniversary Part 2
Enjoy dessert with Susan, Cynthia, and Blakelee in this continuation of ALSSI's Ask-Us-Anything Third Anniversary podcast celebration.
04.04.2023
Episode 132: Ask Us Anything | ALSSI's Third Anniversary
Please join us for Episode 132 as we celebrate our podcast anniversary with an Ask-Us-Anything conversation, hosted by Blakelee Ellis and featuring listener questions with Cynthia-and-Susan answers! It’s a fun, wide ranging discussion packed with women’s voices, ideas, and experiences—a...
03.28.2023
Episode 131: Speaking in Sacrament Meeting | The Susan Edition
It sounds simple to say I must love my neighbor as I love myself, but what does that really look like? We have an unfaltering example in Jesus, whose works offered a living reflection of his teachings about the nature...
03.21.2023
Episode 130: Speaking in Sacrament Meeting | The Cynthia Edition
For ALSSI listeners, it’ll be no surprise that when Cynthia was asked to speak on the subject of atonement, she pivoted to an exploration of grace. In Episode 130, ideas from her talk inspire a conversation about the relationship between...
03.14.2023
Episode 129: Three Sisters, Three Experiences | A Conversation with Cynthia, Patricia, and Carolyn
It’s easy to assume that when we’re all in the same room, we’re hearing, seeing, and experiencing the same things. But this discussion between three sisters shows that living in the same house, growing up in the same family, and...

What's At Last She Said It about?

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At Last She Said It episodes:

Episode 178: Women's Spirituality | A Conversation with Brittney Hartley

Episode 177: Going Off-Brand

Episode 176 (Bonus): What About Season 8?

Episode 175 (Bonus): Revisiting When Women Are The Problem

Episode 174 (Bonus): Exhibit A—Reactions to the Relief Society Broadcast

Episode 173: An Open Letter to the Church | The Imagination Episode

Episode 172: The Grace Peddlers are Back

Episode 171: What About Guilt and Shame? | A Conversation with C.A. Larson, Part 2

Episode 170: What About Guilt and Shame? | A Conversation with C.A. Larson, Part 1

Episode 169: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Lisa Torcasso Downing

Episode 168: Revisiting What Women Don't Get in our Church

Episode 167: Behind the Scenes

Episode 166: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Lyric Montgomery Kinard

Episode 165: BONUS | Still Talking About Patriarchal Blessings

Episode 164: What About Patriarchal Blessings?

Episode 163: Finding Jesus Through Your Inner Compass | A Conversation with Autumn McAlpin

Episode 162: Stepping Out of the Box with Jesus—Claiming Space in the Gospel Narrative | A Conversation with Kajsa Berlin-Kaufusi

Episode 161: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Debbie Squires-Coleman

Episode 160: At Last YOU Said It Part 2 | More Listener Voicemails

Episode 159: At Last YOU Said It | ALSSI Listener Voicemails

Episode 158: Telling the Truth | A Conversation with Jana Riess

Episode 157: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Mer Monson

Episode 156: What About Consent?

Episode 155: To the Children of the Mothers in Zion | A Conversation with Susie Augenstein

Episode 154: What About Racism? | A Conversation with Tamu Smith

Episode 153: When Women Can't Stay

Episode 152: Spelling It Out

Episode 151: Embracing Your Journey | A Conversation with Aubrey Chaves

Episode 150: Why We Stay

Episode 149: BONUS | Still Making Peace

Episode 148: BONUS | Still Asking—Where's the Priesthood in That?

Episode 147: BONUS | Revisiting the Map

Episode 146: BONUS | Revisiting the Rule Breaking Woman

Episode 145: Season 6 | That's a Wrap!

Episode 144: Messages to our Daughters | Part 2—To Our Young Selves

Episode 143: Get Used to Disappointment | A Conversation with Dr. Julie Hanks

Episode 142: Messages to our Daughters | Part 1—About Girls and the Sacrament

Episode 141: The Making of Biblical Womanhood | A Conversation with Beth Allison Barr

Episode 140: Does That Scripture Mean What You Think it Means? | A Dance with the Ten Virgins

Episode 139: BONUS—Let's Talk About Garments...at last! | More with Afton Southam Parker

Episode 138: Finding Your Voice...and Using It | A Conversation with Afton Southam Parker

Episode 137: Let's Talk About Healthy Relationships | A Conversation with Meghan Decker

Episode 136: Let's Talk About The One True Church

Episode 135: What About Religious Trauma?

Episode 134: What About Converts? | A Conversation with KC Bramer

Episode 133: BONUS—Ask Us Anything | ALSSI's Third Anniversary Part 2

Episode 132: Ask Us Anything | ALSSI's Third Anniversary

Episode 131: Speaking in Sacrament Meeting | The Susan Edition

Episode 130: Speaking in Sacrament Meeting | The Cynthia Edition

Episode 129: Three Sisters, Three Experiences | A Conversation with Cynthia, Patricia, and Carolyn

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