With one of the foremost Native American artists working today in any field, Tommy Orange, talking about his second novel, Wandering Stars.

We discussed the struggle of America to both remember and forget its past; his generative friendship with fellow celebrated novelist Kaveh Akbar; and whether the time has come when white writers of literary fiction will be expected to talk about whiteness.

Pre-order Mark Cecil's upcoming novel Bunyan and Henry.

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