You knew it was only a matter of time before we actually did an episode ABOUT a Matt Nathanson album, right? Repeat Revisitor Troy Millette joins us to discuss "Some Mad Hope" from Matt.

Plenty of other discussion including Troy's podcast (Load-In Through the Back), does Jason Bateman really need to have a podcast, Guster, borrowing the referral questions, Steve Poltz, Speech, peak avocado season, Poison, a 4 Claw album, the song that launched Matt (and the song I don't need to hear again), songs not played in Matt's setlist (but should be included because they're killer songs), what should be the album closer, and find out which song made Wayne change his scores to get a song in the Top 5.

Check out Matt at mattnathanson.com/

Check out Troy Millette at: https://troymillettemusic.com/

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