A conversation about giving a voice to untold stories that draws on Jane Campion, Philip Guston, and the raw authenticity of human emotion.

The fourth episode of Dialogues: The David Zwirner Podcast features painter Lisa Yuskavage—known for her masterful portraits of nude figures and her skillful control of color—in conversation with widely celebrated screenwriter and film director Tamara Jenkins. Counterparts and close friends, Yuskavage and Jenkins discuss how personal experiences inform their creativity—touching on dark comedy, eroticism, and the importance of trusting your own vision.

View new large-scale canvases and a survey of small-scale paintings by Lisa Yuskavage in her forthcoming exhibitions, opening this November, at David Zwirner’s Chelsea and Upper East Side locations.

Watch Tamara Jenkins’s newest film, Private Life, in theaters this October.

This podcast is a partnership between David Zwirner and Slate Studios.