<p>Listen to Jannele, Eric, and Katrina as they share about their stories about what it's like to identify as a Self-Preservation Four.</p>

Listen to Jannele, Eric, and Katrina as they share about their stories about what it's like to identify as a Self-Preservation Four.

Episode 4, The Self-Preservation Fours

This Podcast features stories, interviews, and reflections with Jim Gum, an Enneagram Trainer, Teacher and Coach living in Kansas City. Made for an inspiring daily commute.

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