In her monthly visit to Being Human, Clarissa Moll from Christianity Today’s The Bulletin takes the host’s chair and turns the tables on Steve Cuss for another rich exploration of the Four Spaces of Anxiety. Together, they discuss how the frenetic pace of modern life can obscure God’s presence—and how intentional pauses can restore spiritual clarity and resilience. The conversation dives into rumination, false needs like control and approval, and the role of prayer and journaling in nurturing healthier relationships. Steve and Clarissa offer insights on differentiation, boundaries, over-functioning, and even the rapid rise of artificial intelligence.

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Listen: The Bulletin

Read: Genesis 28 (NLT)

Read: Tom Hanks' most iconic roles, from Forrest Gump to Toy Story (EW)

Explore: Introduction to Bowen family systems theory

Other Media:

Steve and Clarissa’s August episode of Being Human

The Bulletin: Steve and Clarissa on Smart Drugs in the Workplace

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Read Clarissa Moll’s Substack

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Steve Cuss is joined once again by his wife and fellow counselor, Lisa Cuss, for a practical conversation on the Four Spaces of Anxiety and how these shape our relationships, leadership, and faith. Building on recent Being Human dialogues with Toni Collier and Dr. Les Parrott, Steve and Lisa unpack the hidden assumptions that fuel reactivity, disconnection, and stress. Steve and Lisa explore how faith, vulnerability, and intentional community can break anxiety’s grip and create healthier families, churches, and neighborhoods.

Episode Resources:

Steve & Clarissa Moll discuss the Four Spaces of Anxiety

Explore Toni Collier’s website

Toni Collier’s Don't Try This Alone

Toni Collier’s Broken Crayons Still Color

Toni Collier’s Brave Enough to Be Broken

Drs. Les & Leslie Parrott’s Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts

Dr. Parrott and Judah Smith’s Bad Thoughts: A Preacher and a Shrink's Guide to Reclaiming Your Mind and Soul

Drs. Les & Leslie Parrott’s website

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World-renowned relationship expert Dr. Les Parrott sits down with host Steve Cuss for a raw discussion about reclaiming your mind and soul. Parrott shreds toxic beliefs about empathy, parenting, and vulnerability that have infiltrated Christian culture, replacing them with a vision for emotional and spiritual health that actually works. Together, Steve and Dr. parrott dissect the razor-thin line between empathy and enmeshment, reveal how technology can fuel genuine human connection, and unpack why hearing God’s voice without shame is a game-changer. 

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

Drs. Les & Leslie Parrott’s Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts

Dr. Parrott and Judah Smith’s Bad Thoughts: A Preacher and a Shrink's Guide to Reclaiming Your Mind and Soul

Pastor Judah Smith’s instagram

Drs. Les & Leslie Parrott’s website

David Brooks’ How to Know a Person

Steve & Clarissa Moll discuss the Four Spaces of Anxiety

The Gospel of Mark (ESV)

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Discover how anxiety weaves its way into every corner of life—and how to break free. Host Steve Cuss sits down with Toni Collier, founder of Broken Crayons Still Color, for a raw conversation on her journey from brokenness to healing and redemption. Together, they unpack how faith, authentic community, and radical vulnerability can transform deep wounds—like “parentification,” betrayal, and infidelity—into powerful testimonies of hope and resilience. This episode continues Steve’s exploration of the Four Spaces of Anxiety and showcases the need to stop the spread of reactivity.

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

Explore Toni’s website

Toni Collier’s Don't Try This Alone

Toni Collier’s Broken Crayons Still Color

Toni Collier’s Brave Enough to Be Broken

Explore North Point Ministries

Explore the work of Dr. Curt Thompson 

Timothy Keller’s The Prodigal God: Recovering the Heart of the Christian Faith

Listen to Steve and Clarissa Moll Set up The Four Spaces of Anxiety

Watch Steve explain The Four Spaces of Anxiety

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The Four Spaces of anxiety and emotional freedom take center stage as Being Human kicks off a new monthly appearance from Bulletin moderator Clarissa Moll, who flips the script and interviews Steve Cuss. Together, they’ll shape the conversation threads that future episodes will explore every four weeks. This month, Steve unpacks the wildfire spread of anxiety and lays out practical disciplines to disrupt reactivity and foster emotional resilience. Rooted in biblical wisdom and grounded in everyday experience, Clarissa re-introduces Steve’s transformative “four spaces” framework—a must-hear for anyone seeking peace, clarity, and connection in a chaotic culture.

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

Explore Clarissa Moll’s website

Read Clarissa Moll’s Substack

Listen to The Bulletin

Watch Steve explain The Four Spaces of Anxiety

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Jimmy Carnes, a Capable Life trainer, joins Steve Cuss—Anxiety Expert & Creator of Capable Life—for a raw, practical conversation about how unseen emotional patterns like triangulation and interconnectedness can complicate leadership and relationships. Together they explore what it means to lead without having the answers, and why “being human-sized” is more powerful than pretending to be in control. They unpack how lighting a candle can bridge the gap between belief and the felt presence of God. 

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Steve and Lisa Cuss dive into the messy beauty of faith, spirituality, and personal growth. Together, they unpack the tension between divine love and human responsibility, revealing how everyday moments—even foraging for blackberries—can illuminate the spiritual journey. Through honest reflection and practical wisdom from Steve’s book The Expectation Gap, listeners will discover tools to bridge their faith gaps and cultivate deeper connections with God, themselves, and others. This episode offers powerful insights for building healthier, more grounded relationships—starting from within.

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

Elizabeth Barrett Browning’s Aurora Leigh: Book Seventh

The Camino de Santiago

This American Life with Ira Glass

Being Human: Grieve, Breathe, Receive  with Steve Carter

Being Human: Steve Carter (season 7 episode 7)

Steve Cuss’ The Expectation Gap: The Tiny, Vast Space between Our Beliefs and Experience of God

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Why does reflecting our Creator matter? Steve Cuss dives into the profound impact of remembering we are made in God’s image and how it is an antidote to the mundane. He challenges listeners to do the important work of engaging with beauty, wonder, the ability to learn, and more as a means of reshaping our daily focus. Steve shares actionable "summer homework" that could shift your perspective for good.

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

Annie Dillard’s Pilgrim at Tinker Creek 

Steve Cuss’ The Expectation Gap 

Steve’s Life Giving List

Andy Gullahorn’s Bury Me With My Friends 

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Lisa Cuss joins Steve to recap three powerful conversations that remind us why our place in the universal, everlasting body of Christ matters now more than ever. Together, they revisit key insights from Glenn Packiam, Chuck DeGroat, and Kyle Idleman—connecting themes of identity and spiritual resilience. From the unifying power of the Nicene Creed to confronting toxic leadership and overcoming inner battles, Steve and Lisa show how spiritual formation offers bold clarity in the chaos of modern life.

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

Kyle Idleman’s Website

Kyle Idleman’s Every Thought Captive: Calm the Mental Chaos That Keeps You Stuck, Drains Your Hope, and Holds You Back

Explore Southeast Christian Church

Glenn Packiam’s What's a Christian, Anyway?: Finding Our Way in an Age of Confusion and Corruption

The Nicene Creed as stated in The Online Book of Common Prayer

Glenn Packiam's website

The work of Chuck DeGroat at Western Seminary

Explore the Soul Care Institute

The work of Michael Gurian

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Feeling burned out by outrage culture and partisan spin? President and CEO of the Center for Christianity and Public Life Michael Wear joins Steve Cuss to chart a bold, faith-rooted path through today’s political chaos. Together, they unpack how Christians can reclaim civic agency through local action, community impact, and love-fueled political engagement. Michael’s sharp insights will challenge listeners to move beyond despair and toward a redemptive, grounded vision of faith and politics.

Resources mentioned in this episode include:

The Center for Christianity and Public Life

Michael Wear’s The Spirit of Our Politics

Michael Wear’s Reclaiming Hope

Irresistible Church Network

The Morning Five with Michael Wear (podcast)

The Bulletin (podcast)

Congregation Land Campaign

The work of opinion columnist Ross Douthat (New York Times)

The work of opinion columnist Jamelle Bouie (New York Times)

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