Mikaela's just returned from COP27 in Egypt and Jo's just returned from university occupations with the End Fossil Occupy movement. They speak about their experiences fighting for climate justice in these different spaces - both working inside the UN COP structure and pushing outside through direct action tactics. Mikaela also shares a bit about her exciting upcoming first book "It's Not That Radical!: Climate Action To Transform Our World" - available for preorder now: geni.us/ItsNotThatRadicalBook !

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