My chat with New York Times-bestselling "recovering productivity geek" Oliver Burkeman, on how to re-program your brain so you can live a life of meaning.

Topics included (1) finding self-worth outside of one's productivity output; (2) helpful ways to think about huge issues one can't control (elections, global warming); and (3) how (oddly) admitting that it's impossible to change is often the moment when real change begins.

Order Mark's novel Bunyan and Henry.

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