This episode is the audio of a livestream conversation that Matthew had on Jonathan McLatchie's YouTube channel.

They talk about Matthew's deconstruction and what it would take for Matthew to believe again.

The original live stream conversation between Jonathan and Matthew is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdcd3lTmv9c&t=1s

The Genetics article that Jonathan mentions is:

Waiting for Two Mutations: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2581952/

a response by Michael J. Behe to the article was published in 2009

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2644969/

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