In the Season Four finale, Tuck speaks with journalist Lewis Raven Wallace (ze or he). Topics include:

• Why transphobia and homophobia aren't binary
• What folks don't understand about being trans in North Carolina
• How the concept of journalistic objectivity harms trans folks
• Being trans in the previous millennium
• "Gender is a universe and we're all stars"

Buy Lewis's book, The View from Somewhere, from the University of Chicago Press. Subscribe to hir podcast, also called The View from Somewhere, wherever you get this podcast.

This Week In Gender: read more about Mattel's gender-neutral dolls in this TIME article. Read Tuck's first NPR interview here and hear their second interview here.

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