The guys are joined by Ira Elliot of Nada Surf to discuss the Cars fantastic debut record and pay tribute to the genius of Ric Ocasek. Plenty of great stories from Ira who had the pleasure of knowing Ric as the producer of Nada Surf's first record and also got to play with Ric on the "Troublizing" record. Other discussion about Roy Thomas Baker, Bambi Kino and Bill Murray, Benjamin Orr, Phoebe Cates, and more.

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