In the 8th episode of etui.podcast, Aída Ponce Del Castillo, senior researcher at the ETUI talks with Elisa Bruno (ETUI) about her recent policy brief on Covid-19 and contact-tracing apps (https://www.etui.org/Publications2/Policy-Briefs/European-Economic-Employment-and-Social-Policy/Covid-19-contact-tracing-apps-how-to-prevent-privacy-from-becoming-the-next-victim). The topic of contact-tracing with apps emerged very early in tackling the pandemic in the Asian countries and it was rapidly implemented in Singapore and South Korea. We get to talk about the implementation of contact-tracing apps in Europe, at government and at the company level, and the implications on the privacy of citizens and workers. Trade unions should be at the forefront in trying to assess and negotiate the use of contact-tracing apps at the workplace. Aida gives very hand-on indications on what unions can do to protect workers from live in a surveillance work-environment.