Tuck speaks with author and community worker Kai Cheng Thom (she/her) in our longest episode ever. Topics include:

• The harm of problematic/pure and perpetrator/victim binaries
• The evolution of "femme" and "transsexual"
• The future of trans kids and class solidarity
• Losing faith, but not hope, in community justice
• Plus: Spicy trans memoir takes, Kai Cheng's secret Goop life, and being the only masters-credentialed trans woman therapist in Canada

This Week in Gender: A federal judge strikes down a transphobic policy in Ohio; Argentina now has a 1% employment quota for trans people in the public sector; and Joe Biden transes his transition team.

Authors referenced: Mariame Kaba, Sarah Schulman, Porpentine Charity Heartscape, adrienne maree brown, Janet Mock, Imogen Binnie (Nevada)

Buy Kai Cheng's books: A Place Called No Homeland (poetry), Fierce Femmes and Notorious Liars (fiction), I Hope We Choose Love (essays) and From the Stars in the Sky to the Fish in the Sea (picture book).

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