In this episode, Jamie & Eric open with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric dives into the strange world of the Amish Mafia and Jamie talks about staff meeting word games. In Weird Worship, they ask if there’s a secret worship cabal—are just a handful of people running the whole industry? Then it’s on to Odd News, where they debate whether becoming a Christian actually makes you “hotter.” Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a practical question: is it okay for churches to track metrics like attendance and giving?

It’s bizarre, hilarious, and just the right mix of memes and ministry—welcome to Not the Sermon.

00:00:19 – Shooting the Skybalon: Amish Mafia & word games

00:09:32 – Weird Worship: The worship cabal

00:23:37 – Odd News: Are Christians hotter?

00:33:04 – Pester the Pastor: Should churches track metrics?