My interview with ESPN/The Ringer writer Jordan Ritter Conn about his new work of narrative non-fiction, American Men.

We covered: (1) How men cope with the gap between who they truly are and their ideal of masculinity, (2) what the manosphere tells men they need, versus what they *actually* need to lead fulfilling lives, and (3) how the most important thing men need to realize is that they can't do it alone.

Order Mark's novel Bunyan and Henry.

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