Show Notes In recent episodes we have discussed Design Arguments and Intelligent Design. Here we cover another chapter from the 50 Arguments for Faith book which explains the apparent suboptimal Design. It is interesting to see what reasons Intelligent Design proponents give.   One suggestion is: "We must also remember that the world we are observing is not the original creation. It is a corrupted version of The Creation." This leads us into discussing the Fall as an explanation for Natural Suffering, a widely held view in Christianity. The journey of discussion will be continued next episode.   Links: The 50 Arguments for Faith book: “Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science” by Mike Licona and William Dembski.  (It can be found on Amazon.)   The famous video clip with Stephen Fry talking about worms burrowing out of children’s eyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo   Justin Brierley’s response video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klPr708VWDk   Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback, meet Ed’s challenge on suffering in the Old Testament and ask questions using:  doubtsaloud@gmail.com

Show NotesIn recent episodes we have discussed Design Arguments and Intelligent Design. Here we cover another chapter from the 50 Arguments for Faith book which explains the apparent suboptimal Design. It is interesting to see what reasons Intelligent Design proponents give. One suggestion is: "We must also remember that the world we are observing is not the original creation. It is a corrupted version of The Creation." This leads us into discussing the Fall as an explanation for Natural Suffering, a widely held view in Christianity. The journey of discussion will be continued next episode. Links:The 50 Arguments for Faith book: “Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science” by Mike Licona and William Dembski. (It can be found on Amazon.) The famous video clip with Stephen Fry talking about worms burrowing out of children’s eyes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo Justin Brierley’s response video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klPr708VWDk Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback, meet Ed’s challenge on suffering in the Old Testament and ask questions using: doubtsaloud@gmail.com

Show Notes In recent episodes we have discussed Design Arguments and Intelligent Design. Here we cover another chapter from the 50 Arguments for Faith book which explains the apparent suboptimal Design. It is interesting to see what reasons Intelligent Design proponents give. &nbsp; One suggestion is: "We must also remember that the world we are observing is not the original creation. It is a corrupted version of The Creation." This leads us into discussing the Fall as an explanation for Natural Suffering, a widely held view in Christianity. The journey of discussion will be continued next episode. &nbsp; Links: The 50 Arguments for Faith book: “Evidence for God: 50 Arguments for Faith from the Bible, History, Philosophy and Science” by Mike Licona and William Dembski. &nbsp;(It can be found on Amazon.) &nbsp; The famous video clip with Stephen Fry talking about worms burrowing out of children’s eyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo &nbsp; Justin Brierley’s response video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klPr708VWDk &nbsp; Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback, meet Ed’s challenge on suffering in the Old Testament and ask questions using: &nbsp;doubtsaloud@gmail.com

Episode 89 - Poor Design or the Fall?

The Doubts Aloud Podcast! Join us as we allow doubts to be voiced regarding faith, religion and worldviews. Two of us have been Christians and none of us believe, so our current conclusion is that the doubts regarding Christianity are justified, but we are keen to question ourselves and hear Christian arguments and hear from Christian guests. Our background means that our conversation with Christianity will tend to dominate over other faiths. We are Frances Janusz, Andrew Whyte and Ed Atkinson. We value the use of reason and evidence to assess matters of faith and worldview. (Should we doubt those assumptions?). We will consider philosophy, theology, Biblical Studies, human experience from the thinking layman’s viewpoint. We greatly value respect for those we disagree with and engaging in discussion. Meet us all in person at the monthly Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group in central London https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London Andrew Whyte one of the hosts of Doubts Aloud has his own "Christian Diversity" YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIyesuRCrlRFYCYs_XMDKhd_MAyeF8esH For those not familiar with the Christian Premier Radio Unbelievable Show that we praise, it is podcast as “Unbelievable?” and on the web: https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable Andrew’s appearances on Unbelievable were 31/10/2009 on the Return of Jesus, 26/04/2014 with Greg Boyd on Doubt and 10/07/2015 with Nabeel Qureshi on Christian Diversity. Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions: https://www.facebook.com/groups/247243319147813 Meet us all in person at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

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The Doubts Aloud Podcast!Join us as we allow doubts to be voiced regarding faith, religion and worldviews. Two of us have been Christians and none of us believe, so our current conclusion is that the doubts regarding Christianity are justified, but we are keen to question ourselves and hear Christian arguments and hear from Christian guests. Our background means that our conversation with Christianity will tend to dominate over other faiths. We are Frances Janusz, Andrew Whyte and Ed Atkinson. We value the use of reason and evidence to assess matters of faith and worldview. (Should we doubt those assumptions?). We will consider philosophy, theology, Biblical Studies, human experience from the thinking layman’s viewpoint. We greatly value respect for those we disagree with and engaging in discussion. Meet us all in person at the monthly Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group in central London https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-LondonAndrew Whyte one of the hosts of Doubts Aloud has his own "Christian Diversity" YouTube Channel:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIyesuRCrlRFYCYs_XMDKhd_MAyeF8esHFor those not familiar with the Christian Premier Radio Unbelievable Show that we praise, it is podcast as “Unbelievable?” and on the web:https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/UnbelievableAndrew’s appearances on Unbelievable were 31/10/2009 on the Return of Jesus, 26/04/2014 with Greg Boyd on Doubt and 10/07/2015 with Nabeel Qureshi on Christian Diversity.Doubts Aloud Links:Please give feedback and ask questions using :doubtsaloud@gmail.comJoin the Facebook Group discussions:https://www.facebook.com/groups/247243319147813Meet us all in person at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see:https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

The Doubts Aloud Podcast! Join us as we allow doubts to be voiced regarding faith, religion and worldviews. Two of us have been Christians and none of us believe, so our current conclusion is that the doubts regarding Christianity are justified, but we are keen to question ourselves and hear Christian arguments and hear from Christian guests. Our background means that our conversation with Christianity will tend to dominate over other faiths. We are Frances Janusz, Andrew Whyte and Ed Atkinson. We value the use of reason and evidence to assess matters of faith and worldview. (Should we doubt those assumptions?). We will consider philosophy, theology, Biblical Studies, human experience from the thinking layman’s viewpoint. We greatly value respect for those we disagree with and engaging in discussion. Meet us all in person at the monthly Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group in central London https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London Andrew Whyte one of the hosts of Doubts Aloud has his own "Christian Diversity" YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIyesuRCrlRFYCYs_XMDKhd_MAyeF8esH For those not familiar with the Christian Premier Radio Unbelievable Show that we praise, it is podcast as “Unbelievable?” and on the web: https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Unbelievable Andrew’s appearances on Unbelievable were 31/10/2009 on the Return of Jesus, 26/04/2014 with Greg Boyd on Doubt and 10/07/2015 with Nabeel Qureshi on Christian Diversity. Doubts Aloud Links: Please give feedback and ask questions using : doubtsaloud@gmail.com Join the Facebook Group discussions: https://www.facebook.com/groups/247243319147813 Meet us all in person at the monthly “Unbelievable Christian and Skeptic Discussion Group” in central London, see: https://www.meetup.com/Unbelievable-Christian-and-Skeptic-Discussion-Group-London

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