Two lawmakers who have seen the raw Epstein files say redactions are protecting powerful men. "There are clearly coconspirators in here that they here that they can name," says one. But we won't be getting any insight from Ghislaine Maxwell, who says she won't talk without a pardon. Audie speaks with an Epstein survivor about all this. 

Plus: Savannah Guthrie begs for the public's help as the FBI expands its search for her mom. 

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