Part 2: It couldn’t be named the “Metaphysical” podcast without talking about one of the most metaphysical topics out there every so often: UFOs. And perfect timing! Everyone’s trying to figure out the truth about David Grusch, the Air Force whistleblower who publicly claims that the US government has a highly secretive UFO recovery program, and has “non-human” spacecraft and “dead pilots.” John and Rob started talking about Grusch’s claims and background last time, but in this episode, they’ll also talk about why the government and media are responding the way they are, including smear attacks. Who is Grusch saying the US’s “adversaries” are? Could these adversaries come from off-planet? Decide what YOU think of it all after you hear what they found. Join John and investigative researcher Rob Counts for a show that’s out of this world. 👉 Watch Metaphysical and more on Rise.TV!