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  • Reimagining the school system: Centering children, families, and teachers

    Guest interviewer Lev Moscow joins Jon in conversation with Santiago Taveras, principal of Charter High School for Computer Engineering and Innovation and former deputy chancellor of the NYC Department of Education. Santi talks about false assumptions that school systems make about teachers, students, and parents. He discusses why so much professional development wastes teachers’ time, why college for all is a misguided target, and why so much DOE money gets misspent.

    Overview

    00:00-01:03 Intros

    01:03-02:08 DOE system changes over time

    02:08-03:24 Who has benefited from changes?

    03:24-05:31 System’s assumptions about teachers

    05:31-07:37 Assumptions about students

    07:37-10:27 Purpose of school systems—what schools can/could be like

    10:27-14:51 College prep and CTE 

    14:51-16:07 Post-secondary education doesn’t have to be college

    16:07-18:47 Assumptions about parents

    18:47-24:13 Why does the system fail despite dedicated adults?

    24:13-27:49 Why change is so difficult—examples from professional development, scheduling

    27:49-30:15 Impact of business interests

    30:15-32:50 Budgeting rigidities (and patronage)

    32:50-43:37 Overrated, underrated? Charters, tech in classroom, sports & arts, small schools?

    Transcript

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    Soundtrack by Poddington Bear

    47 min
  • Technology: What’s hype and what helps

    We speak with Dr. Justin Reich, director of the MIT Teaching Systems Lab, and host of the TeachLab podcast, about education technology. Hailed by some as the great equalizer, the beneficiaries of ed tech tend to be white and affluent. Focused on equity by design, Dr. Reich observes that when teachers learn, they have insufficient opportunities to practice. So he and his colleagues are creating digital clinical simulations, practice spaces for teachers. They’re also helping educators to figure out what they can stop doing, to allow more time for what’s useful.

    Overview

    00:00-00:43 Intros

    00:43-02:55 Examining claims that tech is a vehicle to promote equality in education

    02:55-06:33 Tickle down?

    06:33-07:41 How tech introduction increases the digital divide

    07:41-10:22 Better strategies for improving education

    10:22-14:06 What can make a difference in creating more equitable educators

    14:06-16:33 Measuring the impact

    16:33-18:51 tsl.mit.edu/TeachLab podcast

    18:51-19:21 Unfinished learning

    19:21- Outro

    Transcript

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    References

    • Teaching Systems Lab website
    • Book “Failure to Disrupt: Why Technology Alone Can’t Transform Education” by Justin Reich
    • Podcast TechLab with Justin Reich
    • Soundtrack by Poddington Bear

      Image: twitter.com/mit_tsl

      22 min
    • Going public: Education scholars as policy advocates

      We speak with Dr. Kevin Kumashiro, a founder of Education Deans for Justice and Equity and organizer of the International Conferences on Education and Justice. Dr. Kumashiro describes how education scholars across the country are forming professional communities, both to build their capacity and to speak collectively on issues of public policy, leveraging their research to promote justice and equity. He argues that progressives must cease ceding the framework of education policy to corporate forces.

      Overview 

      00:00-00:47 Intros

      00:47-02:15 Importance of scholars collectively addressing policy issues

      02:15-05:08 Horizontal organizing

      05:08-09:03 Examples of public statements on policy issues

      09:03-15:35 Different nature of different stalwarts—intersection of mobilization, public education and advocacy

      15:35-20:12 CareEd in California

      20:12-24:22 Education Deans for Justice and Equity

      24:22-26:18 “Think tank” aspects

      26:18-32:02 EDJE Framework for Assessment and Transformation

      32:02-40:59 “Surrender”: How progressives are losing some of the biggest battles to the corporate sector

      40:59-44:12 12 International Conference on Education and Justice in October 2022

      44:12- Outro

      Transcript

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      References

      • 12th Conference on Education and Justice
      • Book “Surrender: Why Progressives Are Losing the Biggest Battles in Education” by Kevin Kumashiro
      • Soundtrack by Poddington Bear 

        48 min
      • Looping: It’s all about the relationships

        We speak with Dr. Leigh Wedenoja of the Rockefeller Institute of Government about the benefits to students of having a teacher for more than one year. Test scores improve, behavior problems subside, absenteeism decreases. Very few schools have intentional looping policies, but many students have a teacher more than once, especially in middle and high school.

        Overview

        00:00-00:41 Intros

        00:41-01:43 How students have teachers more than once

        01:43-02:11 Data from Tennessee

        02:11-03:18 Having repeat teachers, not including holdovers

        03:18-04:30 Improved test scores and behavioral outcomes

        04:30-05:27 Impact beyond one class; relationship aspects

        05:27-06:29 Building sustained relationships

        06:29-08:21 Outcomes by gender and race

        08:21-09:43 Researching absenteeism

        09:43-10:51 Creating positive attachment to school

        10:51-12:24 Obstacles to planned looping

        12:24-14:22 Areas for further research

        14:22-15:30 Spillover academic effects within a classroom

        15:30- Outro

        Transcript

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        Soundtrack by Poddington Bear

        18 min
      • Descriptive inquiry: Teachers talking about hard subjects

        We speak with Dr. Cecelia Traugh and Dr. Cara Furman, co-authors of “Descriptive Inquiry in Teacher Practice: Cultivating Practical Wisdom to Create Democratic Schools.” Descriptive inquiry is a structured, collaborative process in which teachers share and get practical feedback on classroom challenges. Breaking down teachers’ isolation, descriptive inquiry encourages non-confrontational conversations about racial and other biases. Teachers benefit not only from the wisdom of their colleagues but also from the safe space and supportive community.

        Overview

        00:00-00:44 Intros

        00:44-04:18 Descriptive inquiry

        04:18-07:32 How descriptive inquiry was developed

        07:32-09:17 Phenomenology

        09:17-09:48 Summer Institute

        09:48-14:37 Developing relationships (with faculty or with parents); talking about race

        14:37-19:33 Questions of race within faculty practice; looking at biases

        19:33-24:01 Teasing out cultural norms; developing community

        24:01-26:29 Descriptive inquiry as being value laden

        26:29-31:05 Helping teachers feel comfortable sharing

        31:05-36:38 Writing the book: why now and why people should read it

        36:38- Outro

        Transcript

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        References

        • Descriptive Inquiry in Teacher Practice: Cultivating Practical Wisdom to Create Democratic Schools. 2021. Teachers College Press. 
        • Edutopia: Using Descriptive Inquiry To Support Teachers
        • Reimagining Through Encounters: Descriptive Inquiry and Democracy In Schools
        • To Ask Questions of the Universe
        • From Another Angle:  Children’s Strengths and School Standards edited by Margaret Himley and Patricia Carini 
        • Starting Strong:  A Different Look at Children, Schools, and Standards by Patricia Carini
        • Jenny’s Story:  Taking the Long View of the Child by Patricia Carini and Margaret Himley
        • IDIprocess.org
        • IDI Facebook Page
        • Soundtrack by Poddington Bear

          41 min
        • Holistic education: Joy, wellness, and rigor (Encore)

          We speak with Dr. Linda Nathan of the Center for Artistry and Scholarship and the Perrone-Sizer Institute for Creative Leadership about her experience in creating progressive schools. Dr. Nathan says all teachers, no matter their subject areas, should have expertise in teaching reading and students with moderate disabilities. The arts are central to her educational vision. Dr. Nathan talks about how to achieve predictable and collaborative authentic assessment of student work and how to deal with standardized test requirements when necessary. She also describes why “grit” is not enough for student success when students are caught in the insidious web of a racist system.

          Overview

          00:00-00:37 Intros

          00:37-02:35 Changes at the Center for Artistry and Scholarship and Perrone-Sizer Institute

          02:35-06:54 Why the outdoors is so important in an educational vision

          06:54-08:42 Joy, wellness, and rigor

          08:42-13:07 Why grit is not enough 

          13:07-15:47 School systems pervaded by White supremacy

          15:17-18:07 The Boston Arts Academy and Perrone-Sizer vision of education

          18:07-21:44 Preparing teachers to work at a school like Boston Arts Academy

          21:44-25:08 Measuring student success

          25:08-29:12 Markers of success on graduation

          29:12-31:15 How colleges need to better support students

          31:15-36:39 How a principal can support and sustain faculty and the school’s vision in an unsupportive district

          36:39-40:50 Dealing with high-stakes testing

          40:50-44:58 Dialoguing with parents who disagree with what the school is doing

          44:58-47:19 Steps to avoid teacher/administrator burnout

          47:19-50:02 Outro

          Transcript

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          References

          • Linda Nathan’s blog
          • Linda Nathan’s book When Grit Isn’t Enough: A High School Principal Examines How Poverty and Inequality Thwart the College-For-All Promise
          • The Perrone-Sizer Institute
          • The Boston Arts Academy
          • Our interview with Dr. Steven Cohen of Tuft’s Department of Education (mentioned by Linda): “Creating Antiracist Classrooms: Listening and other essential skills”
          • Intrepid Academy at Hale
          • Soundtrack by Poddington Bear

            Image twitter.com/lindanathan

            51 min
          • Evolving demographics: Rural schools in transition
            We speak with Dr. David Fine, school superintendent in Dover, a mostly white small town in rural Dutchess County, NY, where longtime residents have been joined by other families to create a more diverse and integrated demographic base. Dr. Fine emphasizes inclusivity,  building close relationships with families, and encouraging student engagement in conversations across divides. As there are few social service or mental health programs nearby, Dover schools fill critical  roles in the community.
             
             

            Overview

            00:00-00:35 Intros

            00:35-01:33 Dover and its demographics

            01:33-02:04 Economy

            02:04-02:52 Student body demographics

            02:52-03:52 Reacher recruitment challenges

            03:52-05:15 Bilingual teacher recruitment

            05:15-06:37 Skills needed by teachers working with new immigrants

            06:37-07:15 Special ed evaluations for students learning English as a New Language

            07:15-08:58 Why immigrant families come to Dover

            08:58-10:23 Students with Interrupted Formal Education

            10:23-11:10 Inclusivity

            11:10-13:03 Schools’ central role in community with limited resources overall

            13:03-14:53 Supporting youth mental health

            14:53-16:17 Relationships with families

            16:17-17:57 Relationships with staff and faculty

            17:57-19:39 Impact of pandemic on relationships

            19:39-20:27 Social emotional issues this year

            20:27-22:36 Working with students and faculty during the return to school

            22:36-24:19 Polarization and political discourse

            24:19-25:59 Students with different views talking with each other; teachers engaging with r range of discussions as needed

            25:59- Outro

            Transcript

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            Soundtrack by Poddington Bear

            Image: ms.doverschools.org

            30 min
          • Solving chronic absence: A whole-school approach

            We speak with Hedy N. Chang of Attendance Works, who describes the long-term impact on student success of chronic absence in all grades.  Framing chronic absence as a truancy issue can increase alienation from school. Distinctions between excused and unexcused absences can unfairly penalize low-income students and students of color. Chronic absence rates may hit 40% this year. Ms. Chang discusses relationship-based strategies for mitigating absenteeism.

            Overview

            00:00-00:37 Intros
            00:37-01:39 Definition of chronic absenteeism
            01:39-04:04 How absenteeism has been viewed historically
            04:04-06:16 Truancy
            06:16-08:57 Reporting and monitoring chronic absences
            08:57-14:37 Pandemic absenteeism rates
            14:37-19:22 Absenteeism and return to schools in 2021-22
            19:22-21:32 Attendance promotion strategies
            21:32-25:42 Excused and unexcused absences; biases in classification
            25:42-28:33 Impact of chronic absences on graduation
            28:33-31:26 Strategies for understanding and overcoming barriers to attendance
            31:26-36:41 Team approaches
            36:41-40:01 Virtual schools—challenges and possibilities
            40:01-42:18 Tiered approach
            42:18- Outro

            Transcript

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            References

            attendanceworks.org

            45 min
          • The attack on public education: Will public schools survive? (Encore)

            We speak with University of South Carolina law professor Derek Black about the history of education as a core government service and the current wave of voucher laws in red states. Professor Black argues that these will permanently reduce education funding levels and threaten the very existence of public schools. We also talk about the #RedforEd resistance and the need to substantially increase funding for schools with many low-income students. 

            Overview

            00:00-00:48 Intros

            00:48-01:38 Why “Schoolhouse Burning” is subtitled “Public Education and the Assault on American Democracy”

            01:38-03:38 Importance of Reconstruction for government role in education

            03:38-06:13 Commitments to education in state constitutions

            06:13-08:25 Tension between schools as reproducing social structures and vehicles for social mobility

            08:25-16:35 How to achieve equity in school funding

            16:35-18:49 Recent voucher laws around the U.S.

            18:49-20:47 Vouchers and parochial schools

            20:47-22:54 Impact of proliferation of charter schools

            22:54-25:02 Why now for vouchers?

            25:02-27:08 Why today’s battles over charters and vouchers are undermining the concept of public education

            27:08-29:07 Libertarianism and the idea of removing government from education

            29:07-30:19 Privatization and race

            30:19-33:29 Reducing taxes on the wealthy and long-term reduction in public funding for education

            33:29-36:23 Significance of #RedforEd teachers’ strikes

            36:23-37:42 Low income parents and charters/vouchers

            37:42-39:57 Building a movement that can fight against charter and voucher movements

            39:57-42:27 Beyond funding, need for diverse schools 

            42:27-45:31 Outro

            Transcript

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            Soundtrack by Poddington Bear

            46 min
          • Translanguaging: Inviting the whole child into the classroom

            We speak with Dr. Cecilia Espinosa and Dr. Laura Ascenzi-Moreno, co-authors of “Rooted in Strength: Using Translanguaging to Grow Multilingual Readers and Writers.” Traditionally, teachers have brought language to students rather than accepting and acknowledging children’s entire linguistic repertoires. Communities and families often have fluid language practices; when teachers impose strict separation of languages, they limit students’ creative and critical thought processes. 

            Overview

            00:00-00:45 Intros

            00:45-02:00 Translanguaging

            02:00-06:58 Why this book now

            06:48-10:54 Translanguaging as transformative

            10:54-17:48 An equity issue

            17:48-23:31 Integrating phonemic awareness and phonics into reading

            23:31-28:49 Native “non-standard” English speakers

            28:49-33:10 Working with a child who is the only speaker of a language in the class

            33:10-40:57 Data-driven  and student-driven assessment

            40:57- Outro

            Transcript

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            References

            • Book “Rooted in Strength: Using Translanguaging to Grow Multilingual Readers and Writers” by Dr. Cecilia Espinosa and Dr. Laura Ascenzi-Moreno
            • Dr. Espinosa: ceciliamespinosa.wordpress.com @MCEspinosaCh 
            • Dr. Ascenzi-Moreno: www.lascenzimoreno.com @AscenziMoreno
            • Soundtrack by Poddington Bear

              44 min

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