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Guest interviewer Lev Moscow joins Jon in conversation with Santiago Taveras, principal of Charter High School for Computer Engineering and Innovation and former deputy chancellor of the NYC Department of Education. Santi talks about false assumptions that school systems make about teachers, students, and parents. He discusses why so much professional development wastes teachers’ time, why college for all is a misguided target, and why so much DOE money gets misspent.
Overview
00:00-01:03 Intros
01:03-02:08 DOE system changes over time
02:08-03:24 Who has benefited from changes?
03:24-05:31 System’s assumptions about teachers
05:31-07:37 Assumptions about students
07:37-10:27 Purpose of school systems—what schools can/could be like
10:27-14:51 College prep and CTE
14:51-16:07 Post-secondary education doesn’t have to be college
16:07-18:47 Assumptions about parents
18:47-24:13 Why does the system fail despite dedicated adults?
24:13-27:49 Why change is so difficult—examples from professional development, scheduling
27:49-30:15 Impact of business interests
30:15-32:50 Budgeting rigidities (and patronage)
32:50-43:37 Overrated, underrated? Charters, tech in classroom, sports & arts, small schools?
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We speak with Dr. Justin Reich, director of the MIT Teaching Systems Lab, and host of the TeachLab podcast, about education technology. Hailed by some as the great equalizer, the beneficiaries of ed tech tend to be white and affluent. Focused on equity by design, Dr. Reich observes that when teachers learn, they have insufficient opportunities to practice. So he and his colleagues are creating digital clinical simulations, practice spaces for teachers. They’re also helping educators to figure out what they can stop doing, to allow more time for what’s useful.
Overview
00:00-00:43 Intros
00:43-02:55 Examining claims that tech is a vehicle to promote equality in education
02:55-06:33 Tickle down?
06:33-07:41 How tech introduction increases the digital divide
07:41-10:22 Better strategies for improving education
10:22-14:06 What can make a difference in creating more equitable educators
14:06-16:33 Measuring the impact
16:33-18:51 tsl.mit.edu/TeachLab podcast
18:51-19:21 Unfinished learning
19:21- Outro
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We speak with Dr. Kevin Kumashiro, a founder of Education Deans for Justice and Equity and organizer of the International Conferences on Education and Justice. Dr. Kumashiro describes how education scholars across the country are forming professional communities, both to build their capacity and to speak collectively on issues of public policy, leveraging their research to promote justice and equity. He argues that progressives must cease ceding the framework of education policy to corporate forces.
Overview
00:00-00:47 Intros
00:47-02:15 Importance of scholars collectively addressing policy issues
02:15-05:08 Horizontal organizing
05:08-09:03 Examples of public statements on policy issues
09:03-15:35 Different nature of different stalwarts—intersection of mobilization, public education and advocacy
15:35-20:12 CareEd in California
20:12-24:22 Education Deans for Justice and Equity
24:22-26:18 “Think tank” aspects
26:18-32:02 EDJE Framework for Assessment and Transformation
32:02-40:59 “Surrender”: How progressives are losing some of the biggest battles to the corporate sector
40:59-44:12 12 International Conference on Education and Justice in October 2022
44:12- Outro
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We speak with Dr. Leigh Wedenoja of the Rockefeller Institute of Government about the benefits to students of having a teacher for more than one year. Test scores improve, behavior problems subside, absenteeism decreases. Very few schools have intentional looping policies, but many students have a teacher more than once, especially in middle and high school.
Overview
00:00-00:41 Intros
00:41-01:43 How students have teachers more than once
01:43-02:11 Data from Tennessee
02:11-03:18 Having repeat teachers, not including holdovers
03:18-04:30 Improved test scores and behavioral outcomes
04:30-05:27 Impact beyond one class; relationship aspects
05:27-06:29 Building sustained relationships
06:29-08:21 Outcomes by gender and race
08:21-09:43 Researching absenteeism
09:43-10:51 Creating positive attachment to school
10:51-12:24 Obstacles to planned looping
12:24-14:22 Areas for further research
14:22-15:30 Spillover academic effects within a classroom
15:30- Outro
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We speak with Dr. Cecelia Traugh and Dr. Cara Furman, co-authors of “Descriptive Inquiry in Teacher Practice: Cultivating Practical Wisdom to Create Democratic Schools.” Descriptive inquiry is a structured, collaborative process in which teachers share and get practical feedback on classroom challenges. Breaking down teachers’ isolation, descriptive inquiry encourages non-confrontational conversations about racial and other biases. Teachers benefit not only from the wisdom of their colleagues but also from the safe space and supportive community.
Overview
00:00-00:44 Intros
00:44-04:18 Descriptive inquiry
04:18-07:32 How descriptive inquiry was developed
07:32-09:17 Phenomenology
09:17-09:48 Summer Institute
09:48-14:37 Developing relationships (with faculty or with parents); talking about race
14:37-19:33 Questions of race within faculty practice; looking at biases
19:33-24:01 Teasing out cultural norms; developing community
24:01-26:29 Descriptive inquiry as being value laden
26:29-31:05 Helping teachers feel comfortable sharing
31:05-36:38 Writing the book: why now and why people should read it
36:38- Outro
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We speak with Dr. Linda Nathan of the Center for Artistry and Scholarship and the Perrone-Sizer Institute for Creative Leadership about her experience in creating progressive schools. Dr. Nathan says all teachers, no matter their subject areas, should have expertise in teaching reading and students with moderate disabilities. The arts are central to her educational vision. Dr. Nathan talks about how to achieve predictable and collaborative authentic assessment of student work and how to deal with standardized test requirements when necessary. She also describes why “grit” is not enough for student success when students are caught in the insidious web of a racist system.
Overview
00:00-00:37 Intros
00:37-02:35 Changes at the Center for Artistry and Scholarship and Perrone-Sizer Institute
02:35-06:54 Why the outdoors is so important in an educational vision
06:54-08:42 Joy, wellness, and rigor
08:42-13:07 Why grit is not enough
13:07-15:47 School systems pervaded by White supremacy
15:17-18:07 The Boston Arts Academy and Perrone-Sizer vision of education
18:07-21:44 Preparing teachers to work at a school like Boston Arts Academy
21:44-25:08 Measuring student success
25:08-29:12 Markers of success on graduation
29:12-31:15 How colleges need to better support students
31:15-36:39 How a principal can support and sustain faculty and the school’s vision in an unsupportive district
36:39-40:50 Dealing with high-stakes testing
40:50-44:58 Dialoguing with parents who disagree with what the school is doing
44:58-47:19 Steps to avoid teacher/administrator burnout
47:19-50:02 Outro
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Overview
00:00-00:35 Intros
00:35-01:33 Dover and its demographics
01:33-02:04 Economy
02:04-02:52 Student body demographics
02:52-03:52 Reacher recruitment challenges
03:52-05:15 Bilingual teacher recruitment
05:15-06:37 Skills needed by teachers working with new immigrants
06:37-07:15 Special ed evaluations for students learning English as a New Language
07:15-08:58 Why immigrant families come to Dover
08:58-10:23 Students with Interrupted Formal Education
10:23-11:10 Inclusivity
11:10-13:03 Schools’ central role in community with limited resources overall
13:03-14:53 Supporting youth mental health
14:53-16:17 Relationships with families
16:17-17:57 Relationships with staff and faculty
17:57-19:39 Impact of pandemic on relationships
19:39-20:27 Social emotional issues this year
20:27-22:36 Working with students and faculty during the return to school
22:36-24:19 Polarization and political discourse
24:19-25:59 Students with different views talking with each other; teachers engaging with r range of discussions as needed
25:59- Outro
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We speak with Hedy N. Chang of Attendance Works, who describes the long-term impact on student success of chronic absence in all grades. Framing chronic absence as a truancy issue can increase alienation from school. Distinctions between excused and unexcused absences can unfairly penalize low-income students and students of color. Chronic absence rates may hit 40% this year. Ms. Chang discusses relationship-based strategies for mitigating absenteeism.
Overview
00:00-00:37 Intros
00:37-01:39 Definition of chronic absenteeism
01:39-04:04 How absenteeism has been viewed historically
04:04-06:16 Truancy
06:16-08:57 Reporting and monitoring chronic absences
08:57-14:37 Pandemic absenteeism rates
14:37-19:22 Absenteeism and return to schools in 2021-22
19:22-21:32 Attendance promotion strategies
21:32-25:42 Excused and unexcused absences; biases in classification
25:42-28:33 Impact of chronic absences on graduation
28:33-31:26 Strategies for understanding and overcoming barriers to attendance
31:26-36:41 Team approaches
36:41-40:01 Virtual schools—challenges and possibilities
40:01-42:18 Tiered approach
42:18- Outro
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We speak with University of South Carolina law professor Derek Black about the history of education as a core government service and the current wave of voucher laws in red states. Professor Black argues that these will permanently reduce education funding levels and threaten the very existence of public schools. We also talk about the #RedforEd resistance and the need to substantially increase funding for schools with many low-income students.
Overview
00:00-00:48 Intros
00:48-01:38 Why “Schoolhouse Burning” is subtitled “Public Education and the Assault on American Democracy”
01:38-03:38 Importance of Reconstruction for government role in education
03:38-06:13 Commitments to education in state constitutions
06:13-08:25 Tension between schools as reproducing social structures and vehicles for social mobility
08:25-16:35 How to achieve equity in school funding
16:35-18:49 Recent voucher laws around the U.S.
18:49-20:47 Vouchers and parochial schools
20:47-22:54 Impact of proliferation of charter schools
22:54-25:02 Why now for vouchers?
25:02-27:08 Why today’s battles over charters and vouchers are undermining the concept of public education
27:08-29:07 Libertarianism and the idea of removing government from education
29:07-30:19 Privatization and race
30:19-33:29 Reducing taxes on the wealthy and long-term reduction in public funding for education
33:29-36:23 Significance of #RedforEd teachers’ strikes
36:23-37:42 Low income parents and charters/vouchers
37:42-39:57 Building a movement that can fight against charter and voucher movements
39:57-42:27 Beyond funding, need for diverse schools
42:27-45:31 Outro
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We speak with Dr. Cecilia Espinosa and Dr. Laura Ascenzi-Moreno, co-authors of “Rooted in Strength: Using Translanguaging to Grow Multilingual Readers and Writers.” Traditionally, teachers have brought language to students rather than accepting and acknowledging children’s entire linguistic repertoires. Communities and families often have fluid language practices; when teachers impose strict separation of languages, they limit students’ creative and critical thought processes.
Overview
00:00-00:45 Intros
00:45-02:00 Translanguaging
02:00-06:58 Why this book now
06:48-10:54 Translanguaging as transformative
10:54-17:48 An equity issue
17:48-23:31 Integrating phonemic awareness and phonics into reading
23:31-28:49 Native “non-standard” English speakers
28:49-33:10 Working with a child who is the only speaker of a language in the class
33:10-40:57 Data-driven and student-driven assessment
40:57- Outro
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