After having the two songs of the summer in "Espresso" and "Please Please Please," Sabrina Carpenter is gearing up to release 'Short n' Sweet.' So first, Nora and Nathan go back to her album 'Emails I Can't Send.' They talk about her transition from a "lowercase pop girl" to an "uppercase pop girl" (1:00), her drama with Olivia Rodrigo and Joshua Bassett that led to songs like "Skin" and "Because I Liked a Boy" (29:54), and what they anticipate from her with this next album (41:53).

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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In a spring and summer that has been dominated by female artists, Nora and Nathan talk about some of the male artists that have managed to break through on the charts: Post Malone, Zach Bryan, and Eminem. They discuss Post Malone's forthcoming country album and what it tells us about the evolution of Nashville's music scene (1:00), Zach Bryan's 'The Great American Bar Scene' and his rebellion against the music industry (27:16), and Eminem's 'The Death of Slim Shady (Coup de Grâce)' and whether the rapper has the capacity to shock anymore (53:48).

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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Nora and Nathan open up the mailbag to answer a few questions about our year in pop music so far. They make some predictions about who will win the Big Four Grammy Awards (Best New Artist, Album of the Year, Song of the Year, and Record of the Year) (1:00), discuss Kamala Harris's campaign's adoption of "brat summer" (26:47), and debate whether Taylor Swift will rerelease 'Taylor Swift' and 'Reputation' before the end of the Eras Tour (59:22).

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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Nora and Nathan talk about the new Katy Perry single 'Woman's World' within the context of her career (1:00) and why this new song feels so oblivious to the current moment (19:24). Then they discuss Camilla Cabello's new album 'C, XOXO,' which has not one but two Drake features (36:43) and ultimately falls flat (46:57).

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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Nora and Nathan each draft and discuss their 10 favorite songs from all of the pop albums that they've talked about this spring and summer, including 'The Tortured Poets Department,' 'Brat,' 'Cowboy Carter,' 'The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess,' and 'Hit Me Hard and Soft.'

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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Nora and Nathan discuss the second studio album from Gracie Abrams: 'The Secret of Us.' They then talk about Taylor Swift's influence on and close relationship with Abrams, as well as whether that's helping or hurting Abrams's music (1:00). Later, they get into how her songs feel the strongest when her lyrics are plain-spoken (39:37), and how, with this album, it seems like Abrams is still trying to find her distinct musical sound (47:46).

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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Nora and Nathan kick off their "brat summer" by talking about Charli XCX's sixth studio album. They talk about how this album differs from her past, more mainstream pop albums (1:00), the inner monologue that is running through many of the songs on this record (31:49), and the narrow palette of sounds she pulled from for these songs (56:46).

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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Nora talks about her experience at the Eras Tour in Edinburgh, Scotland (1:00). Then, Nora and Nathan talk about the meteoric rise of Chappell Roan and her 2023 album 'The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess.' They discuss how her career took off this summer after opening for Olivia Rodrigo and performing on NPR's 'Tiny Desk Concert' (16:05), what happens when an artist with a really passionate fan base breaks into the mainstream (30:59), and how the specificity of her songs turns them into hits (47:43).

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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Nora and Nathan cover a grab bag of pop music news, including Sabrina Carpenter's announcement that her next album, 'Short n' Sweet,' is coming in August (1:00), whether or not Taylor Swift and Billie Eilish are feuding over releasing vinyl variants (15:21), and what surprise songs Taylor has been playing at Eras shows recently (38:31).

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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At long last, Nora and Nathan cover Ariana Grande's 'Eternal Sunshine,' her seventh studio album. They talk about how this album seems to be lacking the viral hits that 'Sweetener' and 'Thank U, Next' had (1:00), whether this is a divorce album or if it's actually about Grande's relationship with the press (22:38), and the classic Max Martin production that can be found throughout the record (1:07:36).

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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