On today’s show, an exclusive, wide-ranging interview with former Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, the Democratic powerhouse who launched voting rights initiative Fair Fight after her 2018 loss to now-Gov. Brian Kemp. Mother Jones’s voting rights reporter Ari Berman asks Abrams if the coronavirus crisis will add even more obstacles to voting in America. Abrams holds fast to her belief that there’s no reason for elections in November to be disrupted by the pandemic. “We were able to vote during the Civil War, we were able to vote during the Spanish flu of 1918, there is no excuse for not holding our elections in 2020,” Abrams says. Berman also asks about the challenges to the 2020 census, Kemp’s response to COVID-19, and the dangerous attempt to suppress voters during the Wisconsin primary in April. Abrams is also crystal clear about how she sees the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery, an unarmed 25-year-old Black man in her state in February: It’s “murder,” she says. Watch the full interview on our Mother Jones Youtube channel, Facebook or Twitter pages, or at motherjones.com.