Starting Something That Lasts

What if launching a men's group was less about curriculum and more about culture?

In this episode of the Exploring More Podcast, Michael Thompson, SJ Jennings, and Josh Overton continue their deep-dive into the world of men's ministry. Building on years of experience, they offer practical insights for those looking to start or strengthen a gathering of men rooted in connection, trust, and transformation.

The conversation covers everything from establishing a clear culture (hint: "vulnerability" might not be your best word) to navigating existing church dynamics with humility and discernment. They emphasize the importance of starting small, defining clear expectations, and focusing more on friendship than function. Listeners are reminded that success isn't found in numbers or programs—it's in creating a safe space where men can be seen, heard, and known.

If you're beginning a group, reimagining one, or mentoring others to lead, this episode offers valuable guardrails and encouragement to build something that lasts.

We hope you enjoy this episode and invite you to connect with us!

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From Good Men to Loved Men

What if the real invitation of men's ministry isn't to be better, but to be loved?

In this episode of the Exploring More Podcast, Michael Thompson, Josh Overton, and SJ Jennings take an honest look at the past, present, and future of men's ministry. They reflect on the shift from performance-based models of discipleship, service, and behavior modification to a new frontier—intimacy with God and the journey of becoming a beloved son.

From fragile beginnings to lasting impact, the conversation explores what it takes to build spaces where men can be vulnerable, known, and free. The guys share stories from the field, the power of starting small, and how brotherhood and story are essential to healing. Whether you're leading a group, exploring a calling, or simply hungry for more, this episode will encourage you to trade striving for sonship.

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Unplugging from the Matrix: Spiritual Training for Real Life

In this episode of the Exploring More Podcast, Michael Thompson and SJ Jennings dive into the metaphor-rich world of The Matrix to explore how spiritual training transforms our ability to live with power, love, and freedom. Just like Neo needed to learn the rules of the system, believers must become aware of the unseen battle between good and evil—and train accordingly.

Drawing from personal stories, Scripture (like Galatians 5), and scenes from The Matrix, they challenge listeners to discern spiritual reality, recognize enemy tactics, and lean into the guidance of the Trinity. This episode is a call to vigilance, spiritual growth, and choosing to walk in the authority and identity we've been given.

Whether you're facing internal "agents" of fear, shame, or distraction, or learning to discern the voice of the Spirit, this episode reminds you: training isn't optional—it's essential.

We hope you enjoy this episode and invite you to connect with us!

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The Heart of the Story: Why Everything Flows from the Inside Out

In this episode of the Exploring More Podcast, Michael Thompson and SJ Jennings unpack the central role of the heart in the spiritual life. Drawing from Scripture, theology, and personal experience, they explore how the heart is not just symbolic—it's the seat of belief, perception, and transformation.

Referencing The Wizard of Oz and the Tin Man's search for a heart, they reflect on why the heart matters so much in our stories, and why it's often misunderstood. Is it wicked? Is it good? The answer is complex—but critical.

They dig into what it means to live "life from the heart," the lies that often corrupt our core beliefs, and the role of the Holy Spirit in healing and restoration. With practical next steps and recommended resources like Search and Rescue, this episode is an invitation to begin inspecting, guarding, and transforming your heart—because that's where life really starts.

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The Kingdom for You: Hearing God's Voice and Partnering in the Battle

In this episode of the Exploring More Podcast, Michael Thompson and SJ Jennings explore the profound reality that the Kingdom of God isn't just coming—it's for you. Picking up the thread from previous episodes on the map of darkness and light, they discuss how Jesus didn't just defeat the enemy—He invites us to join Him in bringing the Kingdom to earth.

From stories like The Chronicles of Narnia and 50 First Dates, to biblical truths and personal experience, Michael and SJ unpack what it means to recognize God's voice, partner with the Holy Spirit, and live as image bearers of light in a world still shadowed by darkness.

They emphasize that hearing from God isn't a spiritual elite experience—it's part of our design. With tools like the Pause app and YouVersion devotionals, they offer practical ways to slow down, be still, and listen deeply.

This episode is a call to engage: to practice stillness, recognize the King's voice, and live as an agent of redemption in the Story we've been invited into.

We hope you enjoy this episode and invite you to connect with us!

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Mapping Darkness and Light: Discernment, Love, and the Spiritual Battle

In this episode of the Exploring More Podcast, Michael Thompson and SJ Jennings dive into the ongoing spiritual battle between darkness and light. Using stories from Scripture, personal experiences, and even a 1974 NFL game, they highlight the critical importance of discernment—knowing the enemy's tactics and understanding where you are on the map of the Larger Story.

They explore how love, kindness, and forgiveness aren't passive virtues—they're powerful weapons in spiritual warfare. Whether it's learning to resist the devil, naming deceptive thoughts, or walking in mercy toward others, this conversation offers wisdom and tools for fighting well and living free.

Michael and SJ remind us that we were never meant to walk this path alone. With the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the support of community, and the clarity that comes from spiritual training, we can navigate this battle with courage and hope.

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The Hero's Journey and the Map of the Larger Story

In this episode of the Exploring More Podcast, Michael Thompson and SJ Jennings dive deeper into the theme of this first series: learning to read the map of the Larger Story. Through the lens of beloved classics like Pinocchio, The Lion King, and The Wizard of Oz, they unpack the shape of the hero's journey and the spiritual landscape we all live in—one marked by darkness and light, conflict and redemption.

Michael and SJ explore how the Old and New Covenants frame our understanding of the battle for identity, authority, and purpose. They reflect on personal experiences, spiritual formation, and the power of belief and story in shaping our path. With the help of the digital and physical Zoweh Map, they reveal why orientation and training are critical for every man who wants to know where he is and where he's going.

This episode invites you to slow down, study the map, and ask God what He sees in you and your story. Because in a world at war, clarity is everything—and healing begins when we understand the terrain.

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Maps, Mountain Lions, and the Larger Story

Season Five kicks off with Michael Thompson and SJ Jennings reflecting on where the journey has taken them—and where it's going next. Surrounded by memorabilia, laughter, and memories, they introduce the guiding theme for this new season: understanding the larger story through the lens of maps, spiritual reality, and the battle between light and darkness.

From tales of mountain lions in Montana to metaphors pulled from The Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, this episode invites listeners to reframe how they see their lives—not as random or isolated, but as part of a greater narrative shaped by love, war, and redemption.

Michael and SJ emphasize the centrality of the heart in that story, the importance of spiritual awareness, and the need to know where you are and where you're headed. This season, the podcast will explore Zoweh's Map of the Larger Story, offering listeners tools, truth, and orientation to help them navigate life in both the physical and spiritual realms.

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Hearing God's Voice: Removing Obstacles and Restoring Intimacy

In this episode of the Exploring More Podcast, Michael Thompson and Josh Overton dive into one of the most personal and transformative themes of the spiritual journey: hearing the voice of God. Through stories, theology, and personal reflection, they remind us that God is still speaking—and always has been.

Michael shares a powerful encounter in an aspen grove, while Josh recalls a moment of divine validation as a "Giant Slayer." Together, they unpack the misconceptions, fears, and shame that often block us from hearing God clearly and offer encouragement for both solitude and community as sacred spaces where we can connect with Him.

They also introduce their new YouVersion reading plan, "Comforted by God," which is designed to help listeners engage in contemplative prayer and learn how to hear God's voice in everyday moments. From walking in the woods to holding a rock in your hand, no moment is too ordinary for God to speak.

This episode is an invitation to posture your heart to listen, believe He's speaking, and experience the comfort of His voice.

We hope you enjoy this episode and invite you to connect with us!

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King Me: Becoming the Hero in Your Story

In this episode of the Exploring More Podcast, Michael Thompson shares a powerful conversation with Jim Ramos, host of the Men in the Arena podcast, centered on the themes of King Me—the masculine journey, identity, and living as image bearers of God.

Michael unpacks the five stages of a man's life: boyhood, explorer, warrior, king, and elder sage, and the importance of validation and initiation in each. Together, they explore the wounds men carry, the battles they face, and the calling to live as strong and kind kings who reflect the glory of God.

The conversation is filled with practical wisdom for cultivating intimacy in marriage, blessing your children, and seeking healing from past pain. With honesty and encouragement, Michael and Jim invite men to ask two life-shaping questions: How do You see me, God? and How do I see myself?

This episode is a clarion call to step into the Larger Story, live from a whole heart, and reign well in the relationships that matter most.

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