Artist Amy Sillman is renowned for her oil paintings that defy categorisation. She has been at the helm of a new wave of artists - most of them women - who over the last decade have reinvigorated abstraction. Amy connects with celebrated writer Sheila Heti, whose books, including Pure Colour (2022) and Motherhood (2018), blur the lines between fiction and memoir, creating new and original ways to understand lived experience: motherhood, art, and mortality. In this episode, they discuss how they each embrace ambiguity with purpose.